Eloquent, how can i call relation function in other model relation function

Stefan Bogdanescu

Founder & Senior Architect · 2026-06-29

Laravel Company

Eloquent Deep Dive: Calling Nested Relations Across Multiple Models

As a senior developer working with Laravel and Eloquent, you frequently encounter scenarios where you need to traverse relationships across multiple models—a common requirement when dealing with complex relational data. A frequent point of confusion arises when trying to call a relationship defined on a related model directly within another model's scope, especially when performing eager loading.

This post will address the specific problem you encountered: how to correctly access nested relationship data between models like Personnel, User, and Foundation. We will explore why your initial attempt failed and introduce the correct, idiomatic Eloquent patterns for handling deeply nested relationships efficiently.


The Challenge: Nested Relationships and Eager Loading

You are trying to achieve a goal where a Personnel record needs to display the foundations associated with the User they belong to. This requires traversing two levels of relationships: Personnel $\rightarrow$ User $\rightarrow$ Foundation.

Your initial approach involved defining methods like this in your models:

// User Model
public function foundations()
{
    return $this->belongsToMany(Foundation::class);
}

// Personnel Model
public function user()
{
    return $this->belongsTo(User::class);
}

public function foundations()
{
    // Attempted chaining: This is where the logic needs adjustment.
    return $this->user->foundations; 
}

When you attempt to use this chained method in a query, such as Personnel::with("foundations")->first(), Eloquent does not automatically resolve this complex chain into the desired nested eager loading structure across multiple tables. The issue stems from how relationships are loaded by default versus how they must be explicitly instructed to load data efficiently.

The Solution: Mastering Nested Eager Loading with Dot Notation

The correct way to retrieve deeply nested, eager-loaded relationships in Eloquent is by using dot notation within the with() method of your query. This tells Eloquent exactly which relationship chain you want to load simultaneously from the database.

Instead of trying to define a custom relationship on the model that tries to handle all the loading logic (which often leads to complexity and errors), we instruct the query builder how to structure the eager loading.

Correct Implementation Example

To fetch the personnel along with their associated user's foundations, you apply the dot notation directly to the desired nested relationship when calling with():

$personnel = Personnel::with('user.foundations')->first();

Explanation of the Fix:

  1. Personnel::with(...): This tells Eloquent that we want to eager load relationships for the Personnel model.
  2. 'user.foundations': This is the crucial part. The dot notation instructs Eloquent to:
    • Load the user relationship for every Personnel record.
    • For each loaded User, recursively load the foundations relationship associated with that user.

This method leverages Eloquent’s built-in mechanism for loading nested relationships, ensuring that you retrieve all necessary data in an optimized manner, preventing the N+1 query problem often associated with lazy loading across deep relationships. This approach aligns perfectly with Laravel's focus on expressive query building, as promoted by resources like Laravel Company.

Best Practices for Complex Relations

When dealing with many-to-many or one-to-many structures that span multiple steps, avoid creating custom relationship methods within your models solely for loading complex data if the goal is simple eager fetching. Instead, let the query builder handle the heavy lifting.

Key Takeaways:

  • Prioritize with(): Always use with() when you need related data loaded upfront.
  • Use Dot Notation: Chain relationships using dots (parent_model.relation_name) to define nested eager loading paths.
  • Keep Models Focused: Keep your model methods focused on defining the direct, singular relationship (e.g., belongsTo, hasMany). Let the query builder handle the complexity of combining those relations during fetching.

Conclusion

The difficulty you faced is common when moving beyond simple one-to-one relationships into complex, multi-level data structures. By understanding that Eloquent's eager loading mechanism relies on explicit instructions within the query—specifically using dot notation in with()—you can elegantly solve nested relationship problems. By adopting this pattern, you ensure your application remains performant and adheres to Laravel's philosophy of clean, expressive code.